Comments on: KDE 4.3 sucks, too http://blog.fealdia.org/2009/09/06/kde-4-3-sucks-too/ Ramblings of a free software enthusiast Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:29:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Shekar Balaguswamy http://blog.fealdia.org/2009/09/06/kde-4-3-sucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-10782 Shekar Balaguswamy Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:29:44 +0000 http://blog.fealdia.org/?p=442#comment-10782 +1. Yes, i got so frustrated with the total piece of shit that is kde4 is that i search for "kde sucks" and found this post. Aaaah. i feel so much better now. +1.

Yes, i got so frustrated with the total piece of shit that is kde4 is that i search for “kde sucks” and found this post.

Aaaah. i feel so much better now.

]]> By: kdella http://blog.fealdia.org/2009/09/06/kde-4-3-sucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-8150 kdella Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:40:44 +0000 http://blog.fealdia.org/?p=442#comment-8150 have you guys seen the youtube of the new CairoDock 2.1, its an openGL dock that uses 0% cpu, its totally animated. I just run compiz + cairodock + thunar file manager (i don't even use nautilus). compiz is fast, i don't run gnome desktop just the window manager and the dock.. but i run both KDE and gtk apps. i don't know why anyone would run KDE4 its a mess, neither would i run gnome desktop. i like the roll your own approach and love the dock (i hate start bars). a lot of the good software is GTK based (Firefox, Inkscape, Gimp) but I do want to try out krita (id use both that and the gimp), and the kexi database front end. Let them make their desktops, there always will be people like me who just run compiz and a dock and ignore the gnome3.x and kde4x. I love the eye candy in compiz, but to build a desktop around 'plasma' is a nightmare idea. oh well. remain desktop agnostic. have you guys seen the youtube of the new CairoDock 2.1, its an openGL dock that uses 0% cpu, its totally animated. I just run compiz + cairodock + thunar file manager (i don’t even use nautilus). compiz is fast, i don’t run gnome desktop just the window manager and the dock.. but i run both KDE and gtk apps. i don’t know why anyone would run KDE4 its a mess, neither would i run gnome desktop. i like the roll your own approach and love the dock (i hate start bars). a lot of the good software is GTK based (Firefox, Inkscape, Gimp) but I do want to try out krita (id use both that and the gimp), and the kexi database front end. Let them make their desktops, there always will be people like me who just run compiz and a dock and ignore the gnome3.x and kde4x. I love the eye candy in compiz, but to build a desktop around ‘plasma’ is a nightmare idea. oh well. remain desktop agnostic.

]]> By: marc http://blog.fealdia.org/2009/09/06/kde-4-3-sucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-7838 marc Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:55:46 +0000 http://blog.fealdia.org/?p=442#comment-7838 It does suck. It incorrect to blame it on the graphics drivers. I have both laptop with NVIDIA and one with ATI and both show graphics corruptions (although not as bad as shown here). I wonder if the KDE developers actually use KDE themselves. THere are so many small annoyances and bugs. I have stopped reporting them now, because the team simply does not act on the bug reports. It does suck.
It incorrect to blame it on the graphics drivers. I have both laptop with NVIDIA and one with ATI and both show graphics corruptions (although not as bad as shown here).

I wonder if the KDE developers actually use KDE themselves. THere are so many small annoyances and bugs. I have stopped reporting them now, because the team simply does not act on the bug reports.

]]> By: Andrew http://blog.fealdia.org/2009/09/06/kde-4-3-sucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-7237 Andrew Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:41:11 +0000 http://blog.fealdia.org/?p=442#comment-7237 I love the way people come on here and try to say "none of it is KDE's fault". Well, you're right, it's not a piece of software's fault that it was not written to work properly. The problem with KDE comes down to the developers. I've been reporting and confirming bugs in KDE every so often since the early 2000s, and their bug database is full of easy-to-reproduce bugs and serious and obvious breakage labelled UNCONFIRMED. Systematically, serious bugs are ignored for years by developers in favor of wishlist items and eye candy. The KDE team obviously can't write a good piece of software. Now I've heard some blame it on C++, that it's just a bad language for writing stable software. But at the end of the day, what it comes down to is that KDE stinks, plain and simple. It has for years and it will probably continue to as long as I'm alive because it's developed and maintained by morons. I love the way people come on here and try to say “none of it is KDE’s fault”. Well, you’re right, it’s not a piece of software’s fault that it was not written to work properly. The problem with KDE comes down to the developers. I’ve been reporting and confirming bugs in KDE every so often since the early 2000s, and their bug database is full of easy-to-reproduce bugs and serious and obvious breakage labelled UNCONFIRMED. Systematically, serious bugs are ignored for years by developers in favor of wishlist items and eye candy.

The KDE team obviously can’t write a good piece of software. Now I’ve heard some blame it on C++, that it’s just a bad language for writing stable software. But at the end of the day, what it comes down to is that KDE stinks, plain and simple. It has for years and it will probably continue to as long as I’m alive because it’s developed and maintained by morons.

]]> By: hoxu http://blog.fealdia.org/2009/09/06/kde-4-3-sucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-6604 hoxu Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:26:39 +0000 http://blog.fealdia.org/?p=442#comment-6604 @bdgman: Very informative. Okay, let me underline this again: these rants are by no means meant to be informative. They are emotional rants, and since my sarcasm comment was somehow missed earlier, let me put it this way: If you came here looking for factually correct information, you are in the wrong place. Keep looking. But I guess if you googled for "kde 4.3 sucks" to come here, I doubt you were looking for anything else than a thread to vent your frustration in ;) (and btw, I think it's polite to use the same nickname within the same post at least, makes it more easier for people to follow who is saying what) Having said that, I think 4.3 is actually good enough so that people can start reporting the bugs they run into regularly... so maybe this is the last "kde sucks" rant I post ;) @bdgman: Very informative.

Okay, let me underline this again: these rants are by no means meant to be informative. They are emotional rants, and since my sarcasm comment was somehow missed earlier, let me put it this way: If you came here looking for factually correct information, you are in the wrong place. Keep looking. But I guess if you googled for “kde 4.3 sucks” to come here, I doubt you were looking for anything else than a thread to vent your frustration in ;)

(and btw, I think it’s polite to use the same nickname within the same post at least, makes it more easier for people to follow who is saying what)

Having said that, I think 4.3 is actually good enough so that people can start reporting the bugs they run into regularly… so maybe this is the last “kde sucks” rant I post ;)

]]> By: bdgman http://blog.fealdia.org/2009/09/06/kde-4-3-sucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-6546 bdgman Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:49:38 +0000 http://blog.fealdia.org/?p=442#comment-6546 The reason why it occurs in KDE 4.2/4.3 is because Qt 4 uses more advanced features than Qt3 / GTK+. Remember, KDE 4.2/4.3 uses Qt 4 which is a new generation toolkit that exploits many advanced X features compared to the old GTK+ or Qt 3, and your driver is possibly buggy in supporting those advanced features. Why the heck you blame KDE? KDE never paints to the display directly (if it does painting, the painting is done by Qt, the underlying tookit), meaning that it is impossible for KDE to introduce such bug. So it must be the underlying system, not KDE itself. You can see this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/338669 similar problem, and solved by upgrading the driver. The reason why it occurs in KDE 4.2/4.3 is because Qt 4 uses more advanced features than Qt3 / GTK+. Remember, KDE 4.2/4.3 uses Qt 4 which is a new generation toolkit that exploits many advanced X features compared to the old GTK+ or Qt 3, and your driver is possibly buggy in supporting those advanced features.

Why the heck you blame KDE? KDE never paints to the display directly (if it does painting, the painting is done by Qt, the underlying tookit), meaning that it is impossible for KDE to introduce such bug. So it must be the underlying system, not KDE itself.

You can see this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/338669 similar problem, and solved by upgrading the driver.

]]> By: hoxu http://blog.fealdia.org/2009/09/06/kde-4-3-sucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-6275 hoxu Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:56:01 +0000 http://blog.fealdia.org/?p=442#comment-6275 Oh yes, you are most likely true. Problem with X or nvidia drivers, which just coincidentally started occurring after KDE 4.2/4.3... actually, I believe that ;) The reason I included those screenshots is because they were more fun than the day-to-day bugs I run into (having stale entries of now-gone windows in taskbar at the moment, for example). Hard to take screenshots of plasma crashes, too. I'm sorry my blog doesn't support the HTML5 sarcasm tag yet... http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5350/w3ctwitter7998492.png On the bright side, KDE 4.x fixed bug #490186 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490186 because it no longer was possible to make such bindings (or I was too damn stupid to figure out how). Oh yes, you are most likely true. Problem with X or nvidia drivers, which just coincidentally started occurring after KDE 4.2/4.3… actually, I believe that ;)

The reason I included those screenshots is because they were more fun than the day-to-day bugs I run into (having stale entries of now-gone windows in taskbar at the moment, for example). Hard to take screenshots of plasma crashes, too.

I’m sorry my blog doesn’t support the HTML5 sarcasm tag yet…

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/5350/w3ctwitter7998492.png

On the bright side, KDE 4.x fixed bug #490186 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490186 because it no longer was possible to make such bindings (or I was too damn stupid to figure out how).

]]> By: fred http://blog.fealdia.org/2009/09/06/kde-4-3-sucks-too/comment-page-1/#comment-6271 fred Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:53:32 +0000 http://blog.fealdia.org/?p=442#comment-6271 Seriously, none of them is KDE fault. It is either a graphic driver problem or hardware problem. I had X with a lot of similar artifacts with intel open source driver, and recently they fixed it. If you're too stupid to analyze the problem properly, don't even bother to publish it to the web. Seriously, none of them is KDE fault. It is either a graphic driver problem or hardware problem. I had X with a lot of similar artifacts with intel open source driver, and recently they fixed it. If you’re too stupid to analyze the problem properly, don’t even bother to publish it to the web.

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